Pesachim 6b - Wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey

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"Said Rav Menasia bar Tahlifa in Rav's name: This proves that there is no 'earlier' and 'later' in the Torah. Rav Papa observed: This was said only of two subjects; but in the same subject what is earlier is earlier and what is later is later."

The idea that there is no chronological order in the torah is an amazing exegetical tool, allowing you to shift passages from their place and argue that while temporally the event happened at another point, it was placed here to teach a lesson or make a point.

But Rav Papa points out that we can't go crazy with this idea, because taken to an extreme we would not be able to make any sense of the torah at all. Each sentence would have to be read alone, without reference to what came before or afterwards. To take this principle too far would be to deny the possibility of any chronology, or the ability to read anything in context.

I take Rav Papa to be saying that we have to be careful with how we explain the Torah text, not to push any good exegetical method to the point of absurdity, but to consider how we are using our technique and whether it is truly in the spirit of what the text is trying to say.

While God may stand outside of time, we are temporal beings, living time in a straight line from past to future. The torah mediates these two perspectives, but must take both seriously if it is to be able to speak to us at all.

Quick thoughts on chapter 6 of Shabbat

I've fallen, shall we say, a little behind in my daf yomi, but now that I'm on holiday I thought I would blitz it. Over several hours (with multiple breaks of course) I learned pages 60-67 today, and scribbled some notes on interesting passages in the margins.

In lieu of a longer post, here are the sections that caught my eye:

•61a - Amulets and charms - how do we know if they work?

•62a - Gender politics - are women 'a nation unto themselves'?

•62b - Swinging - the rabbis frown on partner-swapping.

•63a - The relationship between weapons and the world to come. Decorations or aberrations?

•63a - 'The simple meaning of the text' - but what is it?

•63a - The value of torah study, Resh Lakish uses language of peace. Interesting considering his fall out with Rabbi Yochanan.

•64b - Mar'it ayin - one must avoid doing something because it looks wrong. So can you do it if no one is looking?

•66b - Magic! Abaye's mother must have been a seriously cool woman.

•67a - Incantations against various demons seem to contain nonsense words. In magic (as prayer) it's sometimes better if you don't understand what you're saying.

•67a - Is the magic forbidden? Not if done for the sake of healing.